VP Thoughts

Since I haven’t been writing about a lot lately, I thought I would get in my VP thoughts before Obama makes them moot.

If Obama selected Hillary Clinton, he would make a lot of members of the Democratic Party happy – most of them over 50. He would make a lot of under-40 members unhappy. Most of those between 25-40 would still vote for him, but a significant number of those under 25 would stay home.

If he doesn’t pick Hillary Clinton (regardless of who he picks from those that have been mentioned in the press as being considered) Most of those over 50 who would have thought he made a great choice with Clinton, will think he made the wrong choice. And those under 40 may not be thrilled with the choice he makes, but they will agree ‘at least he didn’t make the horribly wrong choice of Clinton.”

I think Obama can win either way. He regains the older generation he is struggling with now by choosing Clinton, so if the youth stay home (like they usually do) it won’t matter. But otherwise, I am confident he can change the demographics of the vote. (And all the polls that currently show McCain and Obama tied are assuming the demographics remain consistent with the past.)

I want him to win it by not choosing Clinton – but I am under 50. The age-chasm is interesting. I haven’t seen it before to this degree.

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  1. christy

    I think Obama selecting Hillary Clinton as the VP candidate would be like signing his own death warrant. I never really took seriously all those conspiracy theories about all the people around the Clintons dying, (because I really liked Bill) but I’m giving it a second thought recently.

    BTW: I can see Scarlet Feather on your my library thingie…did you read it? You don’t really seem like the Maeve Binchy type (although I’m basing that simply on the fact that you have a y-chromosome and nothing else). I love that book. Now I’m jonesing for the twins.

  2. John

    A few of the books in my Library ended up there due to a subscription to the Book-of-the-Month Club, and a lack of organization that resulted in forgetting to send in the monthly notice with the checkbox “Please Do Not Send” marked.

    Scarlet Feather is one of those. It’s a pristine hardback.

  3. John

    However, your suggestion that I have a “y-chromosome and nothing else” is disturbing, as I am fairly certain I also have an X chromosome.

  4. Kathy

    That’s interesting that it’s the age thing that is considered the factor in what the results of choosing Clinton are. During most of the primaries the emphasis seemed to be on the fact that she was supposed to be bringing in the women’s vote. ( not that I personally think she’s the best example of a woman for the job). Frankly, I don’t think it matters all that much who is the Vice President with Obama since he himself is young enought that the VP will never have to worry about being “a heartbeat away”.

    Now on the McCain side, that could be a different story….

  5. John

    I do think the majority of those women who supported Clinton, and declared they wouldn’t support Obama, are in the higher age grouping. Younger women may have jumped on Clinton’s bandwagon, but were happy enough with Obama.

    Personally – I don’t judge a candidate on personality. I agree that Clinton is likely an arrogant b*tch. But she could get the job done, and my positions on the issues are always going to lean towards the Democrat. In the primaries I vote for who I think will be the most electable against whomver the Repugnants put up.

    Obama is young enough that we won’t have to worry much about health issues, though health issues can strike someone at any time, and Obama could be in a car accident, and it should be pointed out that I believe there has been an attempt on every President’s life since Reagan. Hinckley got the furthest – the other plots stopped before execution – but it could happen.

  6. Kathy

    Granted… it’s always a possibility that something unexpected could happen. and there have already been incidents at a couple of Democratic campaign headquarters.. but that would even make security more alert. At this time I know that they couldn’t put up a VP on the GOP side that would influence me becuase the top man is just not acceptable to me under any circumstance. So it probably won’t make much difference to me who the Obama’s VP is either, unless I decide to go third party.. and I haven’t heard any good one on that side yet.

  7. DL Emerick

    Why would anyone go third party when all that that would do is help elect John McCain and end the drive towards fundamental human rights, political freedom and personal liberty in America, much as it has been erased in much of the rest of the world under George Bush?

    Obama is only a moderate, on such issues, but McCain is just variant of the same right-wing nuts who have been driving us towards oligarchy and oppression for the last 8 years (and maybe longer, if you view as I do, the Clinton “New Democrat” movement with appropriate scepticism and warranted fear).

    Making this country safe for the middle-class is precisely the same kind of danger that Sinclair Lewis continually explored, in his many rantings back 50 years ago. Mind you, the middle class may be a bed-rock, but that also means it is not the pinnacle of our civilization — something that many red-necked middle-class folks constantly forget, in their celebrations of “normalcy”.

  8. DL Emerick

    There ought to be a law against having VICE presidents,
    against having presidents with their heads in vices,
    or just against advice.

    Once again, the irrelevancy of the danger of the Vice Presidency has been amply illustrated by the incredibly bizarre choice of a Vice Presidential nominee for “the second highest” office as one who passes literally no tests but the arbitrary whim and political caprice of a nominee for the office of the Presidency.

    In any other nomination, for high office in the United States, a nominee is subject to intense public scrutiny during confirmation hearings. But here, in the second highest office, there is no vetting required by the Constitution.

    Why is that, you students of civics may well wonder?

    It’s simple, really. The Founders didn’t imagine that our system would become so dominated by the politics of the Presidency. All power was given to the Legislature, with the Presidency serving only as an administrative adjunct to the Will of the People.

    And, even so, the Founders floundered in the belief that it was inconceivable that anyone but the best man (woman) would ever be chosen for President — and the runner-up — the second best person in the nation — would get the Vice Presidency as a consolation prize.

    They expected these offices to attract the typical mendicant executives who typically would run the anticipated small bureaucracies of a necessary and proper government. You might say they expected cachet executives — mere figureheads of State.

    But, all that has changed, gradually over the years — though we have never fixed the Office of the Vice Presidency — the structural instability that comes from it is an ever present danger to our republican system of democracy.

    It only takes one Palin, Cheney, Edwards, Lieberman, Quail, Ferraro, or any other of these countless mediocrities to alter and shift national politics forever — misgoverning the nation. Most of them are fully unqualified to be President, for many reasons — with some rare exceptions, perhaps, as in the cases of Al Gore or GHW Bush.

    The unqualified character of vice presidential nominees originates, so I would argue, in the capricious element of leaving an unfettered choice in the pre-election dynamics of a nominee who almost never places the Nation ahead of his (her) opportunistic needs to win the Office.

    So, it happens that a lack-luster Biden and a sparkling right-wing extremist Palin are the nominees this year.

    What a shame for America, that we the People have no voice in choosing who will be the Vice President of the United States.

  9. DL Emerick

    Oh by the way, any chance that I might have considered voting for McCain just went from highly unlikely to extremely improbable. His choice of a VP nominee amply shows his utter lack of fitness in judging what this country — amplifying his lack of rational capacity — that his logic has a hole in it — that he flies by the seat of his pants, quite recklessly.

  10. DL Emerick

    Your column here was damn prescient, John. I don’t say that too often, but it is well earned, here.